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posted 1 year ago
2/22/12 @ 15:49

kilodalton
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kilodalton:

gallifreyan-buccaneer:

whoniverseconfessions:

‘I love Amy and I hate to see her go, but I am So Excited for the Doctor’s new companion and I really hope it’s Sophia Myles!’

No. Just. No.
As pretty an episode as The Girl in the Fireplace is (The jewels! The scenery and costume porn! The Clockwork Drones!), it is filled with so many flaws in terms of characterization and portrayal of women that I just cannot.
Cate has written some beautiful meta on the issues of The Girl in the Fireplace, so instead of writing it here and basically repeating everything she said, I suggest you go read her analysis of the issues, especially where they relate to the characterization of Reinette. Madame du Pompadour was not the woman we saw in the episode, in many ways. Essentially, Moffat took Madame du Pompadour and took away much of her strength, turning her into a two-dimensional caricature of the actual woman. The real Madame du Pomdaour, while originally the King’s courtesan, did not have sex with him for the last ten years of her life but remainded good friends with him, whereas in the episode it is implied that she seduced the Doctor. In addition, the episode pushes aside all class issues and doesn’t deal with them, portraying Rose as a poorer partner for the Doctor compared to Reinette because she comes from a lower class.
Seriously, just go read Cate’s commentary. She wrote it in a way that makes sense.
It is because of these issues that I do not want Reinette to return as a companion. While companions from a historical point are wonderful (JAMIE! He and Two were the original Space Boyfriends In Space), a character who is little more than a caricature of a real, extensively-documented person is an insult to the person’s memory. Sophia Myles was given a poor part to play, and while I believe that, with a better part she could do well, that isn’t going to happen. If she returns, it will either be as Madame du Pompadour or (Knowing Moffat, this is the more likely option), we’ll find that Reinette did indeed seduce the Doctor and had a child, and their great-great-multiple-great-granddaughter is a dead ringer for Reinette and will be a companion.
Please, for the love of everything, no. That is an overused trope and one I am sick of.
This is more of a separate note now, but I sincerely doubt that she will be returning. If Sophia Myles’ tweets are taken to be accurate, and she was contacted about a part mere DAYS before filming began, it would have left her out of read-throughs and costume fittings, unless she was in the last film block. It’s possible that she was contacted much earlier but only hinted now, but I find myself doubting it. I can hope.

Hey there, a couple of things: first, Moffat (and especially Myles) have been hinting at this for more than a month now. In January, Moffat told all his Twitter followers to follow Myles and that “he’d explain later”. She responded by making several posts referencing GITF. So it’s not just in the past few days - her interview with DWM was in the past few days, though. I suspect there must be something going on, or why a feature interview, kwim?
Second, re the ~seduction~, Moffat said in the audio commentary with Noel Clarke that “dancing” meant dancing at the party. He noted that yes, it is a double entendre of his own making, but that his personal canon was that Reinette said it to flirt with Ten and that she “wouldn’t have been that quick” to just shag him then and there the second time she’d met him XD This statement was repeated in an issue of DWM that came out just a few months ago with a retrospective on GITF - so if he’d changed his mind about that in the interim, I think he would have said something.
Lastly, please don’t get me wrong. I *hate* GITF. I can’t rewatch it. It is OOC and has Ten acting stupid (forgetting about the time differential and that seconds on the ship are years in France), has Rose acting like a doormat, and basically is a pile of DNW for me!!!!
… but paradoxically, that is EXACTLY why I want Myles back. Because her return - especially as Reinette - would completely ruin the ending of the episode I like least in all of NuWho. I hate the ep, so I’m all for anything to ruin it!! (Most especially because, if he indeed were reunite with her later - the huge question would be, so why didn’t he, as Ten?) It would go from being “he couldn’t!!” to “he chose not to” — which again, ruins the ending of the ep. And unless there was a timey-wimey reason, why would she send him that horrid guilt-trip of a letter? Plus, imagine the impact on the Eleven/River ship - just ewww! It would be horrible!!!
So yes, Cate makes great points. (She’s Cate lolol, that kinda goes without saying). But I am in favor of it, precisely because it would be a horrible idea. That might make me a bad fan - but, w/e, I’m an honest one!!


Seriously, this would be priceless. 

kilodalton:

gallifreyan-buccaneer:

whoniverseconfessions:

I love Amy and I hate to see her go, but I am So Excited for the Doctor’s new companion and I really hope it’s Sophia Myles!’

No. Just. No.

As pretty an episode as The Girl in the Fireplace is (The jewels! The scenery and costume porn! The Clockwork Drones!), it is filled with so many flaws in terms of characterization and portrayal of women that I just cannot.

Cate has written some beautiful meta on the issues of The Girl in the Fireplace, so instead of writing it here and basically repeating everything she said, I suggest you go read her analysis of the issues, especially where they relate to the characterization of Reinette. Madame du Pompadour was not the woman we saw in the episode, in many ways. Essentially, Moffat took Madame du Pompadour and took away much of her strength, turning her into a two-dimensional caricature of the actual woman. The real Madame du Pomdaour, while originally the King’s courtesan, did not have sex with him for the last ten years of her life but remainded good friends with him, whereas in the episode it is implied that she seduced the Doctor. In addition, the episode pushes aside all class issues and doesn’t deal with them, portraying Rose as a poorer partner for the Doctor compared to Reinette because she comes from a lower class.

Seriously, just go read Cate’s commentary. She wrote it in a way that makes sense.

It is because of these issues that I do not want Reinette to return as a companion. While companions from a historical point are wonderful (JAMIE! He and Two were the original Space Boyfriends In Space), a character who is little more than a caricature of a real, extensively-documented person is an insult to the person’s memory. Sophia Myles was given a poor part to play, and while I believe that, with a better part she could do well, that isn’t going to happen. If she returns, it will either be as Madame du Pompadour or (Knowing Moffat, this is the more likely option), we’ll find that Reinette did indeed seduce the Doctor and had a child, and their great-great-multiple-great-granddaughter is a dead ringer for Reinette and will be a companion.

Please, for the love of everything, no. That is an overused trope and one I am sick of.

This is more of a separate note now, but I sincerely doubt that she will be returning. If Sophia Myles’ tweets are taken to be accurate, and she was contacted about a part mere DAYS before filming began, it would have left her out of read-throughs and costume fittings, unless she was in the last film block. It’s possible that she was contacted much earlier but only hinted now, but I find myself doubting it. I can hope.

Hey there, a couple of things: first, Moffat (and especially Myles) have been hinting at this for more than a month now. In January, Moffat told all his Twitter followers to follow Myles and that “he’d explain later”. She responded by making several posts referencing GITF. So it’s not just in the past few days - her interview with DWM was in the past few days, though. I suspect there must be something going on, or why a feature interview, kwim?

Second, re the ~seduction~, Moffat said in the audio commentary with Noel Clarke that “dancing” meant dancing at the party. He noted that yes, it is a double entendre of his own making, but that his personal canon was that Reinette said it to flirt with Ten and that she “wouldn’t have been that quick” to just shag him then and there the second time she’d met him XD This statement was repeated in an issue of DWM that came out just a few months ago with a retrospective on GITF - so if he’d changed his mind about that in the interim, I think he would have said something.

Lastly, please don’t get me wrong. I *hate* GITF. I can’t rewatch it. It is OOC and has Ten acting stupid (forgetting about the time differential and that seconds on the ship are years in France), has Rose acting like a doormat, and basically is a pile of DNW for me!!!!

… but paradoxically, that is EXACTLY why I want Myles back. Because her return - especially as Reinette - would completely ruin the ending of the episode I like least in all of NuWho. I hate the ep, so I’m all for anything to ruin it!! (Most especially because, if he indeed were reunite with her later - the huge question would be, so why didn’t he, as Ten?) It would go from being “he couldn’t!!” to “he chose not to” — which again, ruins the ending of the ep. And unless there was a timey-wimey reason, why would she send him that horrid guilt-trip of a letter? Plus, imagine the impact on the Eleven/River ship - just ewww! It would be horrible!!!

So yes, Cate makes great points. (She’s Cate lolol, that kinda goes without saying). But I am in favor of it, precisely because it would be a horrible idea. That might make me a bad fan - but, w/e, I’m an honest one!!

Seriously, this would be priceless. 

  1. timelordsteven reblogged this from whoniverseconfessions and added:
    I totally agree with this!.
  2. fogsblue reblogged this from kilodalton and added:
    Seriously, this would be priceless.
  3. kilodalton reblogged this from sorryimsosorry and added:
    Hey there, a couple of things: first, Moffat (and especially Myles) have been hinting at this for more than a month now....
  4. sorryimsosorry reblogged this from whoniverseconfessions and added:
    No. Just. No. As pretty an episode as The Girl in the Fireplace is (The jewels! The scenery and costume porn! The...
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  8. bachbooksandboobs reblogged this from whoniverseconfessions and added:
    Good lord. Me too.
  9. randomactsofdouchebaggery reblogged this from whoniverseconfessions and added:
    I heard this rumor the other day, and I really hope it’s true. She’s delightful.
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